[PATCH v2] app/testpmd: use Tx preparation in txonly engine

Morten Brørup mb at smartsharesystems.com
Mon Feb 26 14:56:49 CET 2024


> > >>>>>>> TSO breaks when MSS spans more than 8 data fragments. Those
> > >>>>>>> packets will be dropped by Tx preparation API, but it will
> > >>> cause
> > >>>>>>> MDD event if txonly forwarding engine does not call the Tx
> > >>>>> preparation
> > >>>>>>> API before transmitting packets.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> txonly is used commonly, adding Tx prepare for a specific case
> > >>> may
> > >>>>>> impact performance for users.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> What happens when driver throws MDD (Malicious Driver
> Detection)
> > >>>>> event,
> > >>>>>> can't it be ignored? As you are already OK to drop the packet,
> > >>> can
> > >>>>>> device be configured to drop these packages?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Or as Jerin suggested adding a new forwarding engine is a
> > >>> solution,
> > >>>>> but
> > >>>>>> that will create code duplication, I prefer to not have it if
> > >>> this
> > >>>>> can
> > >>>>>> be handled in device level.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Actually I am agree with the author of the patch - when TX
> offloads
> > >>>>> and/or multisegs are enabled,
> > >>>>> user supposed to invoke eth_tx_prepare().
> > >>>>> Not doing that seems like a bug to me.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I strongly disagree with that statement, Konstantin!
> > >>>> It is not documented anywhere that using TX offloads and/or
> multisegs
> > >>> requires calling rte_eth_tx_prepare() before
> > >>>> rte_eth_tx_burst(). And none of the examples do it.
> > >>>
> > >>> In fact, we do use it for test-pmd/csumonly.c.
> > >>> About other sample apps:
> > >>> AFAIK, not many of other DPDK apps do use L4 offloads.
> > >>> Right now special treatment (pseudo-header cksum calculation) is
> needed
> > >>> only for L4 offloads (CKSUM, SEG).
> > >>> So, majority of our apps who rely on other TX offloads (multi-seg,
> ipv4
> > >>> cksum, vlan insertion) happily run without
> > >>> calling tx_prepare(), even though it is not the safest way.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In my opinion:
> > >>>> If some driver has limitations for a feature, e.g. max 8
> fragments,
> > >>> it should be documented for that driver, so the application
> > >>>> developer can make the appropriate decisions when designing the
> > >>> application.
> > >>>> Furthermore, we have APIs for the drivers to expose to the
> > >>> applications what the driver supports, so the application can
> configure
> > >>>> itself optimally at startup. Perhaps those APIs need to be
> expanded.
> > >>>> And if a feature limitation is common across the majority of
> drivers,
> > >>> that limitation should be mentioned in the documentation of the
> > >>>> feature itself.
> > >>>
> > >>> Many of such limitations *are* documented and in fact we do have
> an API
> > >>> to check max segments that each driver support,
> > >>> see struct rte_eth_desc_lim.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, this is the kind of API we should provide, so the application
> can configure itself appropriately.
> > >>
> > >>> The problem is:
> > >>> - none of our sample app does proper check on these values, so
> users
> > >>> don't have a good example how to do it.
> > >>
> > >> Agreed.
> > >> Adding an example showing how to do it properly would be the best
> solution.
> > >> Calling tx_prepare() in the examples is certainly not the solution.
> > >>
> > >>> - with current DPDK API not all of HW/PMD requirements could be
> > >>> extracted programmatically:
> > >>>    let say majority of Intel PMDs for TCP offloads expect pseudo-
> header
> > >>> cksum to be pre-calculated by the SW.
> > >>
> > >> I hope this requirement is documented somewhere.
> > >>
> > >>>    another example, some HW expects pkt_len to be bigger then some
> > >>> threshold value, otherwise HW hang may appear.
> > >>
> > >> I hope this requirement is also documented somewhere.
> > >
> > > No idea, I found it only in the code.
> >
> > IMHO Tx burst must check such limitations. If you made your HW simpler
> > (or just lost it on initial testing), pay in your drivers (or your
> > HW+driver will be unusable because of such problems).
> >
> > >> Generally, if the requirements cannot be extracted
> programmatically, they must be prominently documented, like this note to
> > >> rte_eth_rx_burst():
> > >
> > > Obviously, more detailed documentation is always good, but...
> > > Right now we have 50+ different PMDs from different vendors.
> > > Even if each and every of them will carefully document all possible
> limitations and necessary preparation steps,
> > > how DPDK app developer supposed to  deal with all that?
> > > Do you expect everyone, to read carefully through all of them, and
> handle all of them properly oh his own
> > > in each and every DPDK app he is going to write?
> > > That seems unrealistic.
> > > Again what to do with backward compatibility: when new driver (with
> new limitations) will arise
> > > *after* your app is already written and tested?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >>
> > >>   * @note
> > >>   *   Some drivers using vector instructions require that *nb_pkts*
> is
> > >>   *   divisible by 4 or 8, depending on the driver implementation.
> >
> > I'm wondering what application should do if it needs to send just one
> > packet and do it now. IMHO, such limitations are not acceptable.

This common limitation for vector drivers is for RX burst, not TX burst.
I agree such a limitation would be unacceptable for TX.

> >
> > >>
> > >>> - As new HW and PMD keep appearing it is hard to predict what
> extra
> > >>> limitations/requirements will arise,
> > >>>    that's why tx_prepare() was introduced as s driver op.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We don't want to check in the fast path what can be checked at
> > >>> startup or build time!
> > >>>
> > >>> If your app supposed to work with just a few, known in advance,
> NIC
> > >>> models, then sure, you can do that.
> > >>> For apps that supposed to work 'in general'  with any possible
> PMDs
> > >>> that DPDK supports - that might be a problem.
> > >>> That's why tx_prepare() was introduced and it is strongly
> recommended
> > >>> to use it by the apps that do use TX offloads.
> > >>> Probably tx_prepare() is not the best possible approach, but right
> now
> > >>> there are not many alternatives within DPDK.
> > >>
> > >> What exactly is an application supposed to do if tx_prepare()
> doesn't accept the full burst? It doesn't return information about
> > what is
> > >> wrong.
> > >
> > > It provides some information, but it is *very* limited: just index
> of 'bad' packet and error code.
> > > In theory app can try to handle it in a 'smart' way: let say if
> ENOTSUP is returned, then try to disable all HW offloads
> > > and do all in SW. But again, it is much better to do so *before*
> submitting packets for TX, so in practice everyone
> > > just drop such 'bad' packets.
> > >
> > >   Dropping the packets might not be an option, e.g. for applications
> used in life support or tele-medicine.
> >
> > Critical applications should be able to do all Tx offloads in SW and
> > retry. Of course, various statistics and logs should help to improve
> the
> > application.
> >
> > > If the packet is 'bad', then it is much better to drop it, then TX
> corrupted packet or even hang NIC HW completely.
> >
> > IMHO Tx burst must drop packet which could hang NIC HW completely. I
> > realize that it is an extra checks and performance drop, but vendor
> > should pay in performance if HW is not good enough.
> >
> > > Though off-course it is much better to have an app that would check
> for limitations that can be checked by API provided
> > > and enable only supported offloads.
> >
> > Yes, that's why API to get limitation is much better than
> documentation.
> >
> > >> If limitations are documented, an application can use the lowest
> common denominator of the NICs it supports. And if the
> > application is
> > >> supposed to work in general, that becomes the lowest common
> denominator of all NICs.
> > >
> > > I agree: for limitations that can be extracted with generic API,
> like:
> > > number of segments per packet, supported TX offloads, mbuf fileds
> that must be provided for each TX offload,  etc. -
> > > it is responsibility of well-written application to obey all of
> them.
> > > Yes, many tx_prepare() implementations do  such checks anyway, but
> from my perspective it is sort of last-line of defense.
> > > For well written application that should just never happen.
> > > But there is one more important responsibility of tx_prepare() -  it
> performs PMD specific packet modifications for requested
> > offloads.
> > > As I already mentioned for Intel NICs - it does pseudo-header cksum
> calcucation, for packets with size less then minimal, it can
> > > probably do padding (even if doesn't do it right now), for some
> other PMDs - might be something else, I didn't check.
> > > Obviously it saves app developer from a burden to do all these
> things on his own.
> > >
> > >> It looks like tx_prepare() has become a horrible workaround for
> undocumented limitations.
> >
> > I strongly disagree. Documentation is never a solution for a generic
> > application which is intended to work on any HW and IMHO it is the
> > goal to have more and more applications which work on any HW.
> >
> > >> Limitations due to hardware and/or software tradeoffs are
> unavoidable, so we have to live with them; but we should not accept
> > >> PMDs with undocumented limitations.
> > >
> > > As I already said, more documentation never hurts, but for that
> case, I think it is not enough.
> > > I expect PMD to provide a tx_prepare() implementation that would
> deal with such specific things.
> >
> > +1
> > > Anyway, back to the original patch - I looked at it once again, and
> realized that the problem
> > > is just in the unsupported number of segments.
> > > As we discussed above - such limitations should be handled by well
> written app,
> > > but none of DPDK apps does it right now.
> > > So probably it is good opportunity to do things in a proper way and
> introduce such checks
> > > in testpmd ;)
> >
> > +1 since we already have fields in device information to report such
> > limitations, but it does not say that Tx prepare should be dropped.
> > Drivers which don't need Tx prepare keep it NULL and it returns
> > immediately from ethdev. Since it is done per-burst, it should not
> > affect performance a lot.
> >
> 
> 100% agree. I think tx_prepare needs to stay, and in general has to be
> strongly recommended
> for apps that do use TX offloads/multi-segs.

<irony>
Then tx_prepare should randomly reject packets and segments, to ensure the application has sufficient SW fallback implemented.
</irony>

No, seriously, considering the above arguments, I think PMD conformance requirements would be a better solution.
If a PMD claims support for some feature, it must conform to some minimum requirements for that feature.

E.g. support for multi-seg TX must be able to handle min. 8 segments (or some other reasonable number).

Common limitations and preconditions, such as minimum RX burst size for vector drivers and pseudo-header checksum precalculation for TCP offload, should be accepted and prominently documented.

Unusual HW limitations, such as inability to pad short Ethernet frames, should be handled by the driver's TX function as workarounds for unacceptable limitations (in DPDK API context) in the HW.



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